How do you now explain the spiritual experiences that you had as an Orthodox Mormon?

They are legit. You don't need a religion or God to have a spiritual experience. A good meditation session can be just as spiritual as a temple ceremony.

proudxmo

Mormonism creates a direct link between the church, god, the prophet, and spiritual experiences. In other words, for many members it can be difficult to separate these four things. For example, listening to the prophet is equivalent to listening to God's word as if new scripture is being written; following the edicts of the church is the same as following the gospel of Jesus Christ because these laws governing the church are provided to the general leadership from Jesus Christ; following the prophet, the church, and God will bring about spiritual experiences, but ceasing to follow one of these may hinder your spiritual experiences.

I've found the following rhetorical questions help believing members to better understand why I can still accept my spiritual experiences without attributing them to the Mormon church:
- Do you believe that your spiritual experiences come from God or the Mormon church?
- Assuming you were never born into Mormonism or found it later in life, do you believe your life would have been void of spiritual experiences?
- How do you explain your spiritual experiences prior to your life in the Mormon church?
- How do you explain the spiritual experiences of those who don't know about Mormonism or choose to abstain from it?

I don't seek to be combative or disprove someone's testimony or system of belief. I simply use these questions to assist believing Mormons to better understand my perspective and why it is still possible for me to cherish my spiritual experiences without attributing them to the church.

I experienced spiritual moments as a believing member. I will not deny that. However, I attribute those spiritual moments to God, not a religious organization.

curtishartley

The most common explanation I find in my retrospective view is simply confirmation bias. With the expectation of the miraculous, my neurodivergent mind in need of connection, and social pressuring to conform and "play along," the Mormon church breeds an environment where people outright lie to fit in and be accepted, and I was no exception.

Anonymous

Confirmation bias. I was told that the good feeling I was having could only come from “the spirit”. So I assumed everything was “spiritual”. But I’ve come to realize that I can get those same feelings from a great song, an inspiring movie, or just hanging out with good friends. 

michael-taylor

Confirmation bias. I wanted to believe so I interpreted my feelings to validate what I wanted to believe. I was taught how to do this from a young age. Feelings are not facts. 

bethlundgreen

I explain them by believing they aren’t predicated on whether I am a church member but whether I faithfully believe in Christ. 

inactivewanderer

I guess I have a hard time understanding what exactly is meant by "spiritual experience". I certainly did not have any experiences where I felt like I connected with a god, or confirmed the church was true. I had experiences that were emotional, or where I felt good. But I had those experiences outside of the church as well, even in instances when I was doing things the church would not approve of. So I guess if by "spiritual experiences", one means emotional or exceptionally happy experiences, I attribute those to just being important or impactful events. But just because some of them happened while at a church event, it does not mean they occurred because of the church, or are confirmation that the church was true, any more than those same type of events that occurred outside of the church were confirmation of the truthfulness of something other than the church.

swordsman1989

Humans are social. We rely on those around us for stimulation and protection. When we do something bad, we are punished by society. And when we do something good, we are rewarded by society. We are taught all this from infancy, and we are able to imagine hypothetical futures when making decisions.

Regardless of the context or culture, people can feel an upsurge of elation in response to a positive reward. We can even construct this reward ourselves without anyone else around. So when we behave the way we are taught, when we expect to feel a certain way because of the music or the words on a page, we may feel a burning in our bosom.

Every spiritual experience I can remember is possible to explain as an emotion arising because I met my family's expectations, or I was listening to powerful music, or because I was surrounded by other people telling me positive things.

And I've been able to feel that emotion outside of any spiritual context. And I've known other people who understand this emotion and its causes. This isn't a phenomenon unique to the church, which is what you would expect if it was the only true gospel.

vallian

I totally think that our human brain is totally able to make us think we are led by an higher being. And I thing that everything is controlled by our enviroment and our personal thinking and feelings.

timwachter

I think those experiences were either not spiritual or the same experiences are not exclusive to Mormons, but ones that can be experienced by all faiths.

clos75

I value and treasure the experiences I’ve had with other humans in the church. There was not a more fun scene to be in than my youth group. Human connection and relationships are powerful. I believe I was feeling the experiences and emotions that are part of being alive. 

livsters

People in all religions have spiritual experiences. Mine convinced me that there is a being I identify as God and that this God loves us. While I was in the church I took these spiritual experiences as confirmation that the things I'd been praying about - the book of Mormon, gospel questions, etc. were also true. But looking back the only actual answer I got was that God loves me. It's like when I was a kid, proposing some crazy theory to my mom. She would listen, laugh, and then tell me how much she loved me. The response was true, but had nothing to do with the question asked.
I'm not sure what I believe about the nature of God. Honestly I'm a little exhausted trying to figure that out. But I do know, with more certainty than I ever felt to the contrary, that the answers are not found in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And that the spiritual experiences I had aren't invalid because they occurred at a time when every spiritual question I asked was framed so that any response would further belief in the church.

ellar

I never had any that were real while I was alone, not that were positive any way.

heather-borean