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“By contrast, the secondary questions are unending. They include questions about Church history, polygamy, people of African descent and the priesthood, women and the priesthood, how the Book of Mormon was translated, the Pearl of Great Price, DNA and the Book of Mormon, gay marriage, the different accounts of the First Vision, and on and on.” - Lawrence E. Corbridge, LDS Seventy, BYU Devotional, Stand Forever, January 22, 2019 | wasmormon.org
“By contrast, the secondary questions are unending. They include questions about Church history, polygamy, people of African descent and the priesthood, women and the priesthood, how the Book of Mormon was translated, the Pearl of Great Price, DNA and the Book of Mormon, gay marriage, the different accounts of the First Vision, and on and on.” - Lawrence E. Corbridge, LDS Seventy, BYU Devotional, Stand Forever, January 22, 2019
“There are primary questions and there are secondary questions. Answer the primary questions first. Not all questions are equal and not all truths are equal. The primary questions are the most important. Everything else is subordinate.” - Lawrence E. Corbridge, LDS Seventy, BYU Devotional, Stand Forever, January 22, 2019 | wasmormon.org
“There are primary questions and there are secondary questions. Answer the primary questions first. Not all questions are equal and not all truths are equal. The primary questions are the most important. Everything else is subordinate.” - Lawrence E. Corbridge, LDS Seventy, BYU Devotional, Stand Forever, January 22, 2019
“There are only a few primary questions. I will mention four of them. Is there a God who is our Father? Is Jesus Christ the Son of God, the Savior of the world? Was Joseph Smith a prophet? Is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the kingdom of God on the earth?” - Lawrence E. Corbridge, LDS Seventy, BYU Devotional, Stand Forever, January 22, 2019 | wasmormon.org
“There are only a few primary questions. I will mention four of them. Is there a God who is our Father? Is Jesus Christ the Son of God, the Savior of the world? Was Joseph Smith a prophet? Is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the kingdom of God on the earth?” - Lawrence E. Corbridge, LDS Seventy, BYU Devotional, Stand Forever, January 22, 2019
"1) There are, in the church, two priesthoods, namely, the Melchizedek and Aaronic, including the Levitical Priesthood. 2) Why the first is called the Melchizedek Priesthood is because Melchizedek was such a great high priest. 3) Before his day it was called the Holy Priesthood, after the Order of the Son of God. 4) But out of respect or reverence to the name of the Supreme Being, to avoid the too frequent repetition of his name, they, the church, in ancient days, called that priesthood after Melchizedek, or the Melchizedek Priesthood." - Doctrine and Covenants 107:1–4 Priesthood called Melchizedek out of respect of God, to avoid too frequent repetition. | wasmormon.org
"1) There are, in the church, two priesthoods, namely, the Melchizedek and Aaronic, including the Levitical Priesthood. 2) Why the first is called the Melchizedek Priesthood is because Melchizedek was such a great high priest. 3) Before his day it was called the Holy Priesthood, after the Order of the Son of God. 4) But out of respect or reverence to the name of the Supreme Being, to avoid the too frequent repetition of his name, they, the church, in ancient days, called that priesthood after Melchizedek, or the Melchizedek Priesthood." - Doctrine and Covenants 107:1–4 Priesthood called Melchizedek out of respect of God, to avoid too frequent repetition.
The “interpreters” used by Joseph during the translation process included the “two stones in silver bows” that were deposited by Moroni with the plates. In addition to these two seer stones, Joseph used at least one other seer stone that the Lord had provided. David Whitmer, provided this additional information: “Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and on that appeared the writing. One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear. Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by any power of man.” - Elder LeGrand R. Curtis Jr., Church Historian, Ensign January 2020 The Translation of the Book of Mormon: A Marvel and a Wonder | wasmormon.org
The “interpreters” used by Joseph during the translation process included the “two stones in silver bows” that were deposited by Moroni with the plates. In addition to these two seer stones, Joseph used at least one other seer stone that the Lord had provided. David Whitmer, provided this additional information: “Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and on that appeared the writing. One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear. Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by any power of man.” - Elder LeGrand R. Curtis Jr., Church Historian, Ensign January 2020 The Translation of the Book of Mormon: A Marvel and a Wonder
"In Pennsylvania, Joseph began to translate the writing on the gold plates. He did not know what the writing meant, but when he used the Urim and Thummim, God helped him understand the words. (Joseph Smith—History 1:62) - Scripture Stories for Children, Doctrine and Covenants Stories, Chapter 4, page 18 | wasmormon.org
"In Pennsylvania, Joseph began to translate the writing on the gold plates. He did not know what the writing meant, but when he used the Urim and Thummim, God helped him understand the words. (Joseph Smith—History 1:62) - Scripture Stories for Children, Doctrine and Covenants Stories, Chapter 4, page 18
"Each of the Ensign images from 1974 to 2014 is inconsistent with some aspects of documented Church history of the translation process of the Book of Mormon. For example, only one painting in the past forty-three years depicts Joseph Smith using the Urim and Thummim." - The Role of Art in Teaching Latter-day Saint History and Doctrine, 2015 Anthony Sweat, BYU Professor of Church History | wasmormon.org
"Each of the Ensign images from 1974 to 2014 is inconsistent with some aspects of documented Church history of the translation process of the Book of Mormon. For example, only one painting in the past forty-three years depicts Joseph Smith using the Urim and Thummim." - The Role of Art in Teaching Latter-day Saint History and Doctrine, 2015 Anthony Sweat, BYU Professor of Church History
Each of the Ensign images from 1974 to 2014 is inconsistent with some aspects of documented Church history of the translation process of the Book of Mormon. For example, in each of the seventeen Ensign images, Joseph Smith is shown looking into open plates (not closed or wrapped or absent plates). In eleven of the images Joseph Smith has his finger on the open plates, usually in a studious pose, as though he is translating individual characters through intellectual interpretive effort and not through revelatory means through the Urim and Thummim. Only one painting in the past forty-three years depicts Joseph Smith using Urim and Thummim - The Role of Art in Teaching Latter-day Saint History and Doctrine, 2015 Anthony Sweat, BYU Professor of Church History | wasmormon.org
Each of the Ensign images from 1974 to 2014 is inconsistent with some aspects of documented Church history of the translation process of the Book of Mormon. For example, in each of the seventeen Ensign images, Joseph Smith is shown looking into open plates (not closed or wrapped or absent plates). In eleven of the images Joseph Smith has his finger on the open plates, usually in a studious pose, as though he is translating individual characters through intellectual interpretive effort and not through revelatory means through the Urim and Thummim. Only one painting in the past forty-three years depicts Joseph Smith using Urim and Thummim - The Role of Art in Teaching Latter-day Saint History and Doctrine, 2015 Anthony Sweat, BYU Professor of Church History
Curiously, in illustrating various instruction manuals, the LDS Church does not depict Smith using either the Urim and Thummim or the seer stone. He is almost always shown sitting at a desk and simply looking at the plates, as though he were doing a regular translation. - Sandra Tanner, "Too Mean To Mention" The Book of Mormon Witnesses, Salt Lake City Messenger, November 2011, No. 117 | wasmormon.org
Curiously, in illustrating various instruction manuals, the LDS Church does not depict Smith using either the Urim and Thummim or the seer stone. He is almost always shown sitting at a desk and simply looking at the plates, as though he were doing a regular translation. - Sandra Tanner, "Too Mean To Mention" The Book of Mormon Witnesses, Salt Lake City Messenger, November 2011, No. 117
“I wrote, with my own pen, the entire Book of Mormon (save a few pages,) as it fell from the lips of the Prophet Joseph Smith, as he translated it by the gift and power of God, by the means of the Urim and Thummim, or, as it is called by that book, ‘holy Interpreters.’ I beheld with my eyes and handled with my hands the gold plates from which it was translated. I also saw with my eyes and handled with my hands the ‘holy interpreters.’ That book is true.” - Testimony of Oliver Cowdery, Millennial Star, August 20, 1859. | wasmormon.org
“I wrote, with my own pen, the entire Book of Mormon (save a few pages,) as it fell from the lips of the Prophet Joseph Smith, as he translated it by the gift and power of God, by the means of the Urim and Thummim, or, as it is called by that book, ‘holy Interpreters.’ I beheld with my eyes and handled with my hands the gold plates from which it was translated. I also saw with my eyes and handled with my hands the ‘holy interpreters.’ That book is true.” - Testimony of Oliver Cowdery, Millennial Star, August 20, 1859.
"There were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted “seers” in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book." - Translation in Scripture (Joseph Smith History 1:35) vs Church Produced Movie Joseph Smith: Prophet of the Restoration, 2002 | wasmormon.org
"There were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted “seers” in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book." - Translation in Scripture (Joseph Smith History 1:35) vs Church Produced Movie Joseph Smith: Prophet of the Restoration, 2002
"Joseph Smith used at least one other seer stone in translating the Book of Mormon, often placing it into a hat in order to block out light. According to Joseph’s contemporaries, he did this in order to better view the words on the stone... according to Martin Harris, Joseph also used one of his seer stones for convenience during the Book of Mormon translation... Over the years, artists have sought to portray the Book of Mormon translation, showing the participants in many settings and poses with different material objects. Each artistic interpretation is based upon its artist’s own views, research, and imagination, sometimes aided by input and direction from others." - Joseph the Seer, Richard E. Turley Jr. Liahona, October 2015. Still shows incorrect depictions but blames artistic interpretations (and direction from others) for the discrepancy. | wasmormon.org
"Joseph Smith used at least one other seer stone in translating the Book of Mormon, often placing it into a hat in order to block out light. According to Joseph’s contemporaries, he did this in order to better view the words on the stone... according to Martin Harris, Joseph also used one of his seer stones for convenience during the Book of Mormon translation... Over the years, artists have sought to portray the Book of Mormon translation, showing the participants in many settings and poses with different material objects. Each artistic interpretation is based upon its artist’s own views, research, and imagination, sometimes aided by input and direction from others." - Joseph the Seer, Richard E. Turley Jr. Liahona, October 2015. Still shows incorrect depictions but blames artistic interpretations (and direction from others) for the discrepancy.
Joseph Smith and his scribes wrote of two instruments used in translating the Book of Mormon... The other instrument, which Joseph Smith discovered in the ground years before he retrieved the gold plates, was a small oval stone, or “seer stone.” As a young man during the 1820s, Joseph Smith, like others in his day, used a seer stone to look for lost objects and buried treasure. As Joseph grew to understand his prophetic calling, he learned that he could use this stone for the higher purpose of translating scripture... [Emma] described Joseph “sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us.” - Book of Mormon Translation, Gospel Topic Essay, LDS Church, 2015 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/book-of-mormon-translation | wasmormon.org
Joseph Smith and his scribes wrote of two instruments used in translating the Book of Mormon... The other instrument, which Joseph Smith discovered in the ground years before he retrieved the gold plates, was a small oval stone, or “seer stone.” As a young man during the 1820s, Joseph Smith, like others in his day, used a seer stone to look for lost objects and buried treasure. As Joseph grew to understand his prophetic calling, he learned that he could use this stone for the higher purpose of translating scripture... [Emma] described Joseph “sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us.” - Book of Mormon Translation, Gospel Topic Essay, LDS Church, 2015 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/book-of-mormon-translation
By this time Joseph Smith had gained considerable experience with various means of revelation. He had communed with God and his Son and with angelic messengers. He had seen visions, felt the promptings of the Spirit, and grown in skill in using the Urim and Thummim. ... Oliver wrote: “These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven. ... Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated, with the Urim and Thummim ... the history, or record, called ‘The Book of Mormon.’” - Coming Forth of the Book of Mormon and Restoration of the Priesthood, Ch 5, Page 53, Church History in the Fulness of Times, Student Manual, Religion 341-343 | wasmormon.org
By this time Joseph Smith had gained considerable experience with various means of revelation. He had communed with God and his Son and with angelic messengers. He had seen visions, felt the promptings of the Spirit, and grown in skill in using the Urim and Thummim. ... Oliver wrote: “These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven. ... Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated, with the Urim and Thummim ... the history, or record, called ‘The Book of Mormon.’” - Coming Forth of the Book of Mormon and Restoration of the Priesthood, Ch 5, Page 53, Church History in the Fulness of Times, Student Manual, Religion 341-343
“Joseph placed either the interpreters or the seer stone in a hat, pressed his face into the hat to block out extraneous light, and read aloud the English words that appeared on the instrument.” - Book of Mormon Translation, Gospel Topic Essay, LDS Church, 2015 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/book-of-mormon-translation vs South Park | wasmormon.org
“Joseph placed either the interpreters or the seer stone in a hat, pressed his face into the hat to block out extraneous light, and read aloud the English words that appeared on the instrument.” - Book of Mormon Translation, Gospel Topic Essay, LDS Church, 2015 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/book-of-mormon-translation vs South Park
“As was common in rural areas in those days, Joseph Smith was largely uneducated. To assist him with the translation, God provided for him an ancient translation instrument called the Urim and Thummim. He was also blessed by the help of scribes who wrote what he dictated as he translated.” - Ensign October 2011, Page 6-9. The Prophet Joseph Smith, Translator of The Book of Mormon. This issue mentions the Urim and Thumim once, and does not mention seer stones a single time. It includes artwork depicting Joseph reading the Gold Plates, but no artwork of the Urim and Thumim, seer stones, or Joseph translating with his rock and face buried in his hat. It includes still images from a 2002 church-published Movie, Joseph Smith: Prophet of the Restoration, which also shows Joseph reading directly from the gold plates. wasmormon.org
“As was common in rural areas in those days, Joseph Smith was largely uneducated. To assist him with the translation, God provided for him an ancient translation instrument called the Urim and Thummim. He was also blessed by the help of scribes who wrote what he dictated as he translated.” - Ensign October 2011, Page 6-9. The Prophet Joseph Smith, Translator of The Book of Mormon. This issue mentions the Urim and Thumim once, and does not mention seer stones a single time. It includes artwork depicting Joseph reading the Gold Plates, but no artwork of the Urim and Thumim, seer stones, or Joseph translating with his rock and face buried in his hat. It includes still images from a 2002 church-published Movie, Joseph Smith: Prophet of the Restoration, which also shows Joseph reading directly from the gold plates.
"Most of the work of translation on the Book of Mormon was accomplished while the Prophet Joseph Smith and his wife, Emma, lived in the Harmony, Pennsylvania, area." - Ensign February 2001. The cover is a Simon Dewey painting of the Prophet Joseph Smith translating the gold plates, which he would publish as the Book of Mormon. Article does not mention seer stone or hat. wasmormon.org
"Most of the work of translation on the Book of Mormon was accomplished while the Prophet Joseph Smith and his wife, Emma, lived in the Harmony, Pennsylvania, area." - Ensign February 2001. The cover is a Simon Dewey painting of the Prophet Joseph Smith translating the gold plates, which he would publish as the Book of Mormon. Article does not mention seer stone or hat.
Joseph and Oliver labored “with little cessation” on the translation throughout April. With Oliver’s help, Joseph proceeded faster than ever before. During the next three months Joseph and Oliver completed the amazing task of translating approximately five hundred printed pages. This was a glorious period in their lives. Oliver wrote: “These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven. ... Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated, with the Urim and Thummim ... the history, or record, called ‘The Book of Mormon.’ - Coming Forth of the Book of Mormon and Restoration of the Priesthood, Ch 5, Page 53, Church History in the Fulness of Times, Student Manual, Religion 341-343 | wasmormon.org
Joseph and Oliver labored “with little cessation” on the translation throughout April. With Oliver’s help, Joseph proceeded faster than ever before. During the next three months Joseph and Oliver completed the amazing task of translating approximately five hundred printed pages. This was a glorious period in their lives. Oliver wrote: “These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven. ... Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated, with the Urim and Thummim ... the history, or record, called ‘The Book of Mormon.’ - Coming Forth of the Book of Mormon and Restoration of the Priesthood, Ch 5, Page 53, Church History in the Fulness of Times, Student Manual, Religion 341-343
"Employing several difference-in-differences models on county-level data from 2010-2018, this paper finds no statistically significant evidence that temples reduce poverty rates. The results suggest that the presence of a temple has no effect on county-level economic outcomes, contrary to Mormon doctrinal claims about the power of tithing to alleviate poverty. This finding is likely attributable to the way in which the church allocates tithing revenues, a highly centralized and hierarchical affair with no clear mechanism to reduce poverty in the communities from which funds are sourced." - Dallin Overstreet, The Elusive Economic Blessings of Tithing: Mormon Temples and County Poverty, Journal of Economics, Theology and Religion, vol. 4, no. 1 (2024) | wasmormon.org
"Employing several difference-in-differences models on county-level data from 2010-2018, this paper finds no statistically significant evidence that temples reduce poverty rates. The results suggest that the presence of a temple has no effect on county-level economic outcomes, contrary to Mormon doctrinal claims about the power of tithing to alleviate poverty. This finding is likely attributable to the way in which the church allocates tithing revenues, a highly centralized and hierarchical affair with no clear mechanism to reduce poverty in the communities from which funds are sourced." - Dallin Overstreet, The Elusive Economic Blessings of Tithing: Mormon Temples and County Poverty, Journal of Economics, Theology and Religion, vol. 4, no. 1 (2024)
"I think about the success of my kids, and if I ran into somebody 30 years from today and they say to me, how are your kids doing? If my son has a temple recommend and is a worthy Melchizedek priesthood holder, I will say my son is doing fantastic. If, on the other hand, my children are wealthy beyond measure and famous, but they're not worthy of a temple recommend, I will say my children are struggling." - Journey To Become, an LDS Philanthropies Production Video, 2012 | wasmormon.org
"I think about the success of my kids, and if I ran into somebody 30 years from today and they say to me, how are your kids doing? If my son has a temple recommend and is a worthy Melchizedek priesthood holder, I will say my son is doing fantastic. If, on the other hand, my children are wealthy beyond measure and famous, but they're not worthy of a temple recommend, I will say my children are struggling." - Journey To Become, an LDS Philanthropies Production Video, 2012
"We started a charitable foundation. My sons and my daughter are the board of directors... That way it gives the opportunity for them to learn correct principles, to grow and develop. And if they are worthy of their priesthood, they can then handle the inheritance and continue to do good. If they exercise their agency, contrary to my beliefs, then that entire inheritance can still go to the church." - Journey To Become, an LDS Philanthropies Production Video, 2012 | wasmormon.org
"We started a charitable foundation. My sons and my daughter are the board of directors... That way it gives the opportunity for them to learn correct principles, to grow and develop. And if they are worthy of their priesthood, they can then handle the inheritance and continue to do good. If they exercise their agency, contrary to my beliefs, then that entire inheritance can still go to the church." - Journey To Become, an LDS Philanthropies Production Video, 2012
"Money can be a great benefit to the world, but it can also destroy eternal salvation. At one point in our life, two of our children were making some mistakes and they were a little bit contrary to what we believe as a family. And I thought, wow, what happens if somebody receives a pile of money who's not living gospel principles? I don't know about you, but I've never heard anybody say, wow, I inherited a bunch of money, so I decided to go back to church and turn my life around. I used to worry if I died today, what would happen to my kids, and how would money or prosperity affect their choices and their ambitions and their life's goals? And that caused me a lot of stress. In fact, at one point I was ready to sign over everything I had to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, rather than risk having them have to make choices that would be difficult for them with a with a large sum of money." - Journey To Become, an LDS Philanthropies Production Video, 2012 | wasmormon.org
"Money can be a great benefit to the world, but it can also destroy eternal salvation. At one point in our life, two of our children were making some mistakes and they were a little bit contrary to what we believe as a family. And I thought, wow, what happens if somebody receives a pile of money who's not living gospel principles? I don't know about you, but I've never heard anybody say, wow, I inherited a bunch of money, so I decided to go back to church and turn my life around. I used to worry if I died today, what would happen to my kids, and how would money or prosperity affect their choices and their ambitions and their life's goals? And that caused me a lot of stress. In fact, at one point I was ready to sign over everything I had to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, rather than risk having them have to make choices that would be difficult for them with a with a large sum of money." - Journey To Become, an LDS Philanthropies Production Video, 2012
"I can give my kids money, I can give my kids cars, I can give my kids real estate, but I cannot give my kids a desire to be honest, a good work ethic, the ability and the desire to serve. So if you look at our Heavenly Father's plan, he desires to give each of his children all that he has. But to qualify for those blessings, we have to become what he has become. Now, I don't pretend to be like my Heavenly Father, but for my children, for them to inherit my estate, they will need to become what I am trying to become." - Journey To Become, an LDS Philanthropies Production Video, 2012 | wasmormon.org
"I can give my kids money, I can give my kids cars, I can give my kids real estate, but I cannot give my kids a desire to be honest, a good work ethic, the ability and the desire to serve. So if you look at our Heavenly Father's plan, he desires to give each of his children all that he has. But to qualify for those blessings, we have to become what he has become. Now, I don't pretend to be like my Heavenly Father, but for my children, for them to inherit my estate, they will need to become what I am trying to become." - Journey To Become, an LDS Philanthropies Production Video, 2012
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The Church tells people to just listen to their message and only read materials that the Church has officially sanctioned. The Church has become very very good at messaging and manipulating people. The psychology that supports the way the Church messages itself is a fascinating study in its own right. Leaving the church after 60 years was one of the best things I’ve ever done. I now have a much better relationship with my grandchildren, kids, and spouse. Friendships with others have become so much more genuine. The Church thrives on guilt and manipulation. Once you let all of that go, you really do have your free agency to live a good and happy life. I consider myself a Christian. I’ve never been so happy and contented as I am now that I’m free from Mormon manipulations. It is a wonderful life. No regrets at all. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
The Church tells people to just listen to their message and only read materials that the Church has officially sanctioned. The Church has become very very good at messaging and manipulating people. The psychology that supports the way the Church messages itself is a fascinating study in its own right. Leaving the church after 60 years was one of the best things I’ve ever done. I now have a much better relationship with my grandchildren, kids, and spouse. Friendships with others have become so much more genuine. The Church thrives on guilt and manipulation. Once you let all of that go, you really do have your free agency to live a good and happy life. I consider myself a Christian. I’ve never been so happy and contented as I am now that I’m free from Mormon manipulations. It is a wonderful life. No regrets at all. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
One of the last straws was when LDS Philanthropies suggested that parents disinherit children who stray from the church and give that inheritance to the Church. Although they later deleted the information from their website, that they had advocated for this position told me that it’s really all about the money, not the people, and certainly not about Jesus Christ. So I withdrew my name from the Church records. My decision had nothing to the people in the Ward/Stake. They were good people; I liked them and I was well-liked by them. It wasn’t about living the health code, how hard it is to follow the rules of the Church, the many meetings, or being offended. It really just came down to, "is the Church true or false?" I concluded that the Church is not of God and, while it professes to follow Jesus Christ, it really doesn’t. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
One of the last straws was when LDS Philanthropies suggested that parents disinherit children who stray from the church and give that inheritance to the Church. Although they later deleted the information from their website, that they had advocated for this position told me that it’s really all about the money, not the people, and certainly not about Jesus Christ. So I withdrew my name from the Church records. My decision had nothing to the people in the Ward/Stake. They were good people; I liked them and I was well-liked by them. It wasn’t about living the health code, how hard it is to follow the rules of the Church, the many meetings, or being offended. It really just came down to, "is the Church true or false?" I concluded that the Church is not of God and, while it professes to follow Jesus Christ, it really doesn’t. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
At each general conference, the Church auditor tells the members that its finances are properly maintained, but after the Church had been found to be in violation of SEC rules and fined several million dollars, the auditor didn’t even acknowledge this gross legal violation. Then we learned that the Church had amassed well over $100 billion of cash reserves and they hadn’t told members because it might result in lower tithing receipts. The lack of financial transparency was disguising to me. Even worse, the Church’s meager charitable activities in light of its great wealth clearly didn’t align with my view of Christ’s teachings. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
At each general conference, the Church auditor tells the members that its finances are properly maintained, but after the Church had been found to be in violation of SEC rules and fined several million dollars, the auditor didn’t even acknowledge this gross legal violation. Then we learned that the Church had amassed well over $100 billion of cash reserves and they hadn’t told members because it might result in lower tithing receipts. The lack of financial transparency was disguising to me. Even worse, the Church’s meager charitable activities in light of its great wealth clearly didn’t align with my view of Christ’s teachings. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
As a missionary, I was told to not teach Black people because they were cursed. Then President Kimball said he had a revelation and they were suddenly all clean again... I remember going door to door on my mission that year and someone asked me what revelations our Prophet had recently had. I told them about how Black people could now hold the Priesthood and get married in the Temple. The person had laughed at me and said their church had always loved and accepted Black people. The Church later said that its treatment of Black people was consistent with the social norms of the times... but it never apologized for its racism or said that Brigham Young and Bruce McConkie were wrong. The Church still hasn’t apologized. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
As a missionary, I was told to not teach Black people because they were cursed. Then President Kimball said he had a revelation and they were suddenly all clean again... I remember going door to door on my mission that year and someone asked me what revelations our Prophet had recently had. I told them about how Black people could now hold the Priesthood and get married in the Temple. The person had laughed at me and said their church had always loved and accepted Black people. The Church later said that its treatment of Black people was consistent with the social norms of the times... but it never apologized for its racism or said that Brigham Young and Bruce McConkie were wrong. The Church still hasn’t apologized. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
As I studied and prayed, the stories of children and women being sexually abused emerged and, while the Church said that abuse was abhorrent, it also covered up the assaults, paid off victims, protected the perpetrators, and referred the matters to its attorneys rather than to the police. The Church actively opposed same-sex marriage in Hawaii and California. Several General Authorities said they had stopped doing electro-conversion therapy at BYU in the early 70’s but they were still doing it to people I know when I attended the school in the late 70’s and 80’s. Their comments were disingenuous. The Church kicked out anyone even suspected of being gay or lesbian, that was just wrong. God wouldn’t treat his children that way. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
As I studied and prayed, the stories of children and women being sexually abused emerged and, while the Church said that abuse was abhorrent, it also covered up the assaults, paid off victims, protected the perpetrators, and referred the matters to its attorneys rather than to the police. The Church actively opposed same-sex marriage in Hawaii and California. Several General Authorities said they had stopped doing electro-conversion therapy at BYU in the early 70’s but they were still doing it to people I know when I attended the school in the late 70’s and 80’s. Their comments were disingenuous. The Church kicked out anyone even suspected of being gay or lesbian, that was just wrong. God wouldn’t treat his children that way. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
I remembered reading that if the Joseph Smith story is false then the entire church is just a house of cards. If the Book of Mormon isn’t true, then the entire faith is false. So, I studied the Book of Mormon with a slightly different perspective and determined that it was a good read, but hardly an inspired word of God. There’s no historical evidence to collaborate the BofM like there is for the Bible. Clearly, a ‘perfect’ book would not have to be edited multiple times and would contain no historical misinformation - but it does. Yes, I prayed and prayed, and fasted and prayed, but the tingly feeling was nothing more than the same feeling I had when attending a great concert or watching Star Wars for the first time; it was hardly a witness for the truth. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
I remembered reading that if the Joseph Smith story is false then the entire church is just a house of cards. If the Book of Mormon isn’t true, then the entire faith is false. So, I studied the Book of Mormon with a slightly different perspective and determined that it was a good read, but hardly an inspired word of God. There’s no historical evidence to collaborate the BofM like there is for the Bible. Clearly, a ‘perfect’ book would not have to be edited multiple times and would contain no historical misinformation - but it does. Yes, I prayed and prayed, and fasted and prayed, but the tingly feeling was nothing more than the same feeling I had when attending a great concert or watching Star Wars for the first time; it was hardly a witness for the truth. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
Why would God pick Joseph Smith? Polygamy... Really? What woman would embrace a role of making babies for eternity? Joseph Smith didn’t even tell Emma about all of his ‘wives’ until he had to - what a liar. Then I looked at the Book of Abraham. Joseph Smith’s claims about a funeral text make no sense at all. His strange attempt to conform the Bible to his beliefs with the JS Translation was misguided given the well-established history of the Bible translations. From the Church’s own records, I studied its history of racism, xenophobia, sexism, polygamy, temple ordinance origins and evolution, support of slavery, church’s support for nazi Germany, lack of godly discernment, doctrinal changes, inconsistencies in the priesthood restoration, BofM discovery accounts and different versions of how Joseph Smith wrote the BofM. The carefully crafted Church messages just didn’t cut it for me. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
Why would God pick Joseph Smith? Polygamy... Really? What woman would embrace a role of making babies for eternity? Joseph Smith didn’t even tell Emma about all of his ‘wives’ until he had to - what a liar. Then I looked at the Book of Abraham. Joseph Smith’s claims about a funeral text make no sense at all. His strange attempt to conform the Bible to his beliefs with the JS Translation was misguided given the well-established history of the Bible translations. From the Church’s own records, I studied its history of racism, xenophobia, sexism, polygamy, temple ordinance origins and evolution, support of slavery, church’s support for nazi Germany, lack of godly discernment, doctrinal changes, inconsistencies in the priesthood restoration, BofM discovery accounts and different versions of how Joseph Smith wrote the BofM. The carefully crafted Church messages just didn’t cut it for me. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
I wondered why, if this is so great, why doesn’t everyone embrace it. What am I missing and why does the Church make me feel empty? Why would a loving God treat his children so differently based on where they were born, who their parents are, what race they were born into, what their last name is, what their sexual preference is, what their gender is, how much money they have and whether they followed Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim or Christian teachings. Why would God demand 10% tithing to get into the celestial kingdom; pay-to-play just didn’t seem right. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
I wondered why, if this is so great, why doesn’t everyone embrace it. What am I missing and why does the Church make me feel empty? Why would a loving God treat his children so differently based on where they were born, who their parents are, what race they were born into, what their last name is, what their sexual preference is, what their gender is, how much money they have and whether they followed Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim or Christian teachings. Why would God demand 10% tithing to get into the celestial kingdom; pay-to-play just didn’t seem right. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
Born and raised in the faith, I’m a descendant of pioneers who crossed the plains and settled the Salt Lake Valley. I was the perfect Mormon. Seminary, mission, BYU, Temple marriage, family, Stake, and Ward leadership. Ancestors crossed the plains with Brigham Young. Life revolved around the church in every way. We held family home evenings each week and attended every Church service, conference, and fireside. If something was happening at the Church, we were there! I’m a corporate executive, educator, parent, and husband. I was a Mormon. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
Born and raised in the faith, I’m a descendant of pioneers who crossed the plains and settled the Salt Lake Valley. I was the perfect Mormon. Seminary, mission, BYU, Temple marriage, family, Stake, and Ward leadership. Ancestors crossed the plains with Brigham Young. Life revolved around the church in every way. We held family home evenings each week and attended every Church service, conference, and fireside. If something was happening at the Church, we were there! I’m a corporate executive, educator, parent, and husband. I was a Mormon. - Tom's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/tom808/
It is not charity to aid a business enterprise... Ensign Peak Advisors (EPA) has operated a for-profit securities investment business that (a) used none of its $100 billion for any religious, charitable, or educational purpose, and (b) made distributions to only two recipients, in each case to for-profit activities that are “private” interests. Distributing or transferring a combined $2 billion for an insurance company (Beneficial Financial Group) and a shopping mall (City Creek Center) clearly conflicts with EPA’s requirement to operate for religious, charitable, or educational purposes. Either of these facts is sufficient, by itself, to defeat tax-exempt status for EPA. - David Nielsen, former Senior Portfolio Manager, Ensign Peak Advisors, Memorandum regarding Ensign Peak Advisors submitted to the U.S. Senate Finance Committee | wasmormon.org
It is not charity to aid a business enterprise... Ensign Peak Advisors (EPA) has operated a for-profit securities investment business that (a) used none of its $100 billion for any religious, charitable, or educational purpose, and (b) made distributions to only two recipients, in each case to for-profit activities that are “private” interests. Distributing or transferring a combined $2 billion for an insurance company (Beneficial Financial Group) and a shopping mall (City Creek Center) clearly conflicts with EPA’s requirement to operate for religious, charitable, or educational purposes. Either of these facts is sufficient, by itself, to defeat tax-exempt status for EPA. - David Nielsen, former Senior Portfolio Manager, Ensign Peak Advisors, Memorandum regarding Ensign Peak Advisors submitted to the U.S. Senate Finance Committee
Ensign Peak Advisors (EPA) has made only two sets of distributions. Each was for profit-making, “private interests”: 1. In 2009, EPA distributed approximately $600 million to benefit Beneficial Financial Group (BFG). BFG is one of the Church’s for-profit entities, and operates as an insurance and financial services company. 2. Between 2010 and 2014, EPA distributed $1.4 billion to Property Reserve Inc. (PRI) for development of a luxury shopping mall known as the City Creek Mall. PRI used the funds to upgrade this shopping mall. - David Nielsen, former Senior Portfolio Manager, Ensign Peak Advisors Memorandum regarding Ensign Peak Advisors submitted to the U.S. Senate Finance Committee | wasmormon.org
Ensign Peak Advisors (EPA) has made only two sets of distributions. Each was for profit-making, “private interests”: 1. In 2009, EPA distributed approximately $600 million to benefit Beneficial Financial Group (BFG). BFG is one of the Church’s for-profit entities, and operates as an insurance and financial services company. 2. Between 2010 and 2014, EPA distributed $1.4 billion to Property Reserve Inc. (PRI) for development of a luxury shopping mall known as the City Creek Mall. PRI used the funds to upgrade this shopping mall. - David Nielsen, former Senior Portfolio Manager, Ensign Peak Advisors Memorandum regarding Ensign Peak Advisors submitted to the U.S. Senate Finance Committee
"He who takes offense when offense was not intended is a fool, yet he who takes offense when offense is intended is an even greater fool for he has succumbed to the will of his adversary." - Brigham Young, Mormon Prophet | wasmormon.org
"He who takes offense when offense was not intended is a fool, yet he who takes offense when offense is intended is an even greater fool for he has succumbed to the will of his adversary." - Brigham Young, Mormon Prophet
"It’s wonderful to know what we know. We're so blessed. We don't have to wonder why we're here for. We don't have to question anything in the church. Don’t get off into that. Just stay in the Book of Mormon. Just stay in the Doctrine and Covenants. Just listen to the prophets. Just listen to the apostles. We won't lead you astray. We cannot lead you astray." - LDS Apostle, M. Russell Ballard, Provo YSA Devotional, October 24, 2015 | wasmormon.org
"It’s wonderful to know what we know. We're so blessed. We don't have to wonder why we're here for. We don't have to question anything in the church. Don’t get off into that. Just stay in the Book of Mormon. Just stay in the Doctrine and Covenants. Just listen to the prophets. Just listen to the apostles. We won't lead you astray. We cannot lead you astray." - LDS Apostle, M. Russell Ballard, Provo YSA Devotional, October 24, 2015
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It’s not God’s one and only true church. Joseph Smith was a sexual freak. I think God loves everyone and the church’s stance on LGBTQ is just plain wrong. I never understood why 15 old men in Utah determine what underwear I can and cannot wear. The sexism in the church is ridiculous. - Sandra's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/sandra/
It’s not God’s one and only true church. Joseph Smith was a sexual freak. I think God loves everyone and the church’s stance on LGBTQ is just plain wrong. I never understood why 15 old men in Utah determine what underwear I can and cannot wear. The sexism in the church is ridiculous. - Sandra's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/sandra/
My main reason for leaving is the church’s culture in regard to abuse. They pretend it doesn’t happen, hide it, and cover it up. It’s a toxic culture filled with judgmental people. I also don’t think it’s God’s church. - Sandra's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/sandra/
My main reason for leaving is the church’s culture in regard to abuse. They pretend it doesn’t happen, hide it, and cover it up. It’s a toxic culture filled with judgmental people. I also don’t think it’s God’s church. - Sandra's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/sandra/
Trigger Warning: Abuse! When I was 15, I was able to get to a phone and call the police when my mom horrifically beat me. My mom told the police that I beat myself up (eye roll) and I was suicidal. I wasn’t suicidal, but I knew if I said I was, then the police would have to take me away to a mental hospital. Yes, the mental hospital was a better option than home. At the hospital, the therapists determined that it would be unsafe for me to return home to my mother. They asked me if I knew of a home that would be safe. I recommended the Relief Society President’s home. The hospital released me to the RS president’s house. I told her about my abuse and how terrifying my mom was. I figured I’d stay at her house for a few weeks until the courts could find me a safe home. Instead, the RS President dropped me off at my mom’s house the next morning. I had about 12 hours of abuse-free time after leaving the hospital. The RS President knowingly returned me to my abuser and I received a beating on arrival. - Sandra's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/sandra/
Trigger Warning: Abuse! When I was 15, I was able to get to a phone and call the police when my mom horrifically beat me. My mom told the police that I beat myself up (eye roll) and I was suicidal. I wasn’t suicidal, but I knew if I said I was, then the police would have to take me away to a mental hospital. Yes, the mental hospital was a better option than home. At the hospital, the therapists determined that it would be unsafe for me to return home to my mother. They asked me if I knew of a home that would be safe. I recommended the Relief Society President’s home. The hospital released me to the RS president’s house. I told her about my abuse and how terrifying my mom was. I figured I’d stay at her house for a few weeks until the courts could find me a safe home. Instead, the RS President dropped me off at my mom’s house the next morning. I had about 12 hours of abuse-free time after leaving the hospital. The RS President knowingly returned me to my abuser and I received a beating on arrival. - Sandra's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/sandra/
Trigger Warning: Abuse! The same bishop called me into his office two other times to tell me that I was a bad kid and needed to be better. At this point, I never broke the word of wisdom, didn’t kiss any boys, no porn, etc. I cried to the bishop and told him I was being abused. I told him I was afraid my mom would murder me. His reply was I just needed to be a better kid and my mom wouldn’t hurt me if I was nicer. I first reported my abuse to the church when I was 12. Absolutely nothing was done. I was abused an additional 5 years because the church did nothing! Let that sink in, 5 years of additional extreme child abuse because the church didn’t report the abuse. I told multiple YWs leaders, seminary teachers, bishop, and a RS president of my abuse and no one did a thing to save me. - Sandra's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/sandra/
Trigger Warning: Abuse! The same bishop called me into his office two other times to tell me that I was a bad kid and needed to be better. At this point, I never broke the word of wisdom, didn’t kiss any boys, no porn, etc. I cried to the bishop and told him I was being abused. I told him I was afraid my mom would murder me. His reply was I just needed to be a better kid and my mom wouldn’t hurt me if I was nicer. I first reported my abuse to the church when I was 12. Absolutely nothing was done. I was abused an additional 5 years because the church did nothing! Let that sink in, 5 years of additional extreme child abuse because the church didn’t report the abuse. I told multiple YWs leaders, seminary teachers, bishop, and a RS president of my abuse and no one did a thing to save me. - Sandra's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/sandra/
Trigger Warning: Abuse! When I was about 11 years old, my mom thought my 3 sisters and myself were being possessed by the devil. I remember closing my eyes and trying to feel if satan was in me. I felt no satan. I looked at my sisters and I didn’t think satan had power over them either. My mom slapped my face to get the devil out. When the slap didn’t work, my mom called the bishop and asked him to come over to pray satan out of our bodies. The bishop said he’d be right over! I thought that since the bishop is the mostly godly person in our ward, the Holy Ghost would tell him that we were being abused and he’d save us. Or at the very least, he’d be able to tell that we were 4 good kids and we aren’t possessed by the devil. I was wrong! My mom had us 4 girls meet with the bishop in my sister’s bedroom. It was awkward and uncomfortable. He told us that we need to be better kids and honor our (father) and mother. He then said a weird prayer/blessing where he asked the devil’s spirit to leave our bodies. - Sandra's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/sandra/
Trigger Warning: Abuse! When I was about 11 years old, my mom thought my 3 sisters and myself were being possessed by the devil. I remember closing my eyes and trying to feel if satan was in me. I felt no satan. I looked at my sisters and I didn’t think satan had power over them either. My mom slapped my face to get the devil out. When the slap didn’t work, my mom called the bishop and asked him to come over to pray satan out of our bodies. The bishop said he’d be right over! I thought that since the bishop is the mostly godly person in our ward, the Holy Ghost would tell him that we were being abused and he’d save us. Or at the very least, he’d be able to tell that we were 4 good kids and we aren’t possessed by the devil. I was wrong! My mom had us 4 girls meet with the bishop in my sister’s bedroom. It was awkward and uncomfortable. He told us that we need to be better kids and honor our (father) and mother. He then said a weird prayer/blessing where he asked the devil’s spirit to leave our bodies. - Sandra's "I was a Mormon" story. Read more at https://wasmormon.org/profile/sandra/